Dont believe the Hype - JVC caters to the petulant child in the backseat
JVC have announced a new camera - the GY-HM100 - and in doing so they have delivered a profound display of pandering and backward thinking.
The key marketing point of the GY-HM100 is that its solid-state recording writes files directly into Quicktime wrapped files using the *.mov format. The ?IDEA? is that by being already wrapped up as Quicktime the files can go straight into QT based applications, namely final cut pro.
Sounds logical enough right? Well let me articulate why this is the technology equivalent to changing your travel plans for all the adults in the bus to suit the whims of the immature petulant child in the back row....!
The recording format of the JVC is 35mbps, Long GOP Mpeg2. if that sounds familiar then you shouldn't be surprised because 35mbps Long GOP Mpeg2 is XDCAMEX as used by Sony in their Ex1 and EX3 cameras. Of course JVC want to play the stupid pseudo-proprietary game that everyone else plays so rather than just call it XDCAMEX they call it something unique and talk flamboyantly about their 'unique codec technology' when really its just plain old Mpeg2 like most of the bloody world! They've pulled this stunt before with HDV which they called ProHD but which everyone with half a brain just new as ordinary 720p HDV.
But that isnt the truly stupid bit. Whilst Sony are just as guilty of having their own hit list of proprietary crap, the beauty of XDCAMEX is that its all open - Mpeg2 is open standard and the file format wrapper they use for XDCAMEX is the universal, SMPTE ratified *.mp4
But JVC dont want to just write Mp4 files using Mpeg2 35mbps, No, instead they write the same 35mbps Mpeg2 directly into QT wrappers as MOV files. They claim this is so there is ?No image degradation by re-wrapping?.
Now lets just be clear about a few things here because this shit REALLY gets up my nose. RE-WRAPPING DOES NOT DEGRADE THE FILE! Re-Wrapping is simply the transfer from one file format container to another.
Let me say it again for those that missed it and continue to perpetuate this myth - RE-WRAPPING DOES NOT DEGRADE THE FILE! Re-Wrapping is simply the transfer of the same contents from one container to another.
Re-Encoding is re-compression and so ?can? result in loss IF (and its a very big IF) it is a lossy codec being used - Which no one with half a brain would do anyway; you would use a lossless intermediate - Component YUV, Animation codec, Cineform, Avid DNxHD, ProRes and good old Uncompressed amoung a myraid of others.
So if you have XDCAM EX mp4 and re-wrap the same codec essence to MOV there is absolutely ZERO loss of quality because the internal essence is untouched, its just transferred from one box to another. Similarly if you are Transcoding from say HDV or XDCAMEX to a lossless intermediate format such as ProRes, Cienform or Avid DNXHD there is likewise NO loss of visual quality because you are transcoding Up into a lossless format using a higher colour subsample. (indeed there are quality gains to be made doing this when processing effects and colour grades in intermediate formats of higher color space) JVC's talk of 'preserving first generation quality' is utter horseshit and they know it - they just assume you're too stupid to know it!
For example Cineform?s HD Link application can almost instantly re-wrap from AVI to MOV - zero change to the Cienform codec essence, just packaged in a different box. And there are numerous similar tools and processes - such as those used by Final Cut Pro in its Log and Transfer utility.
When O when O when will the companies stop abusing these ideas of ?re-wrapping? and ?transcoding? to suit their marketing purposes.??? When will they stop disseminating and propagating mis-information when it suits their needs to do so...?
Apple were the major perpetrators of this crime just a short time back where all the advertising for Final Cut Pro stated loudly that FCP was ?superior? because editing was ?native? with no loss with ?transcoding and re-wrapping?. Then low and behold they finally got their shit together and got a viable efficient lossless format in the form of ProRes into the market and suddenly changed their tune - Native is bad, Lossless Transcoding is best to preserve quality..! And everyone cheered like good little lemmings. Why is it that Apple advertising so often reminds me of George Orwell?s 1984 and the continual re-writing of the dictionary and of the news after the fact to suit their needs of the present...?
So many companies are guilty of this manipulation that JVC now just seems to be joining the long list.
But that's not where my ire ends... O no sir! Let us ask the question, why would JVC need to write files direct in proprietary MOV wrappers instead of the open formats used by everyone else for these compressed formats? Answer, So Final Cut Pro users can edit the files Natively without having to re-wrap them, like EVERYONE ELSE has been doing for the past year or or three!
Of course this would have the overwhelmingly ignorant body of Final Cut Pro users cheering wont it? And yet this act by JVC is nothing more than catering to the technical flaws in Final Cut Pro that the Apple developers seem either incapable of rectifying or unwilling to do so in order to protect and prop up the QT framework which is being assulted on all fronts by more efficient non-proprietary formats.
Let us be clear..... Final Cut Pro is the ONLY major NLE on the market that actually NEEDS to re-wrap non QT formats into MOV wrappers. When you capture HDV to FCP its wrapped as MOV instead of the open standard Mpeg or M2t that EVERYONE else uses. When you move XDCAM EX to FCP it has to be re-wrapped out of MP4 and into MOV. When you work with XDCAM in FCP it has to be pulled out of MXF into MOV and likewise when you work with DVCProHD from P2 it has to be pulled out MXF and dropped into MOV. Why? Because FCP is so horribly format inflexible that it simply cant read or work with anything unless its natively wrapped in MOV....! It would seem that JVC have changed the way their cameras works purely to cater to FCP's inadequcies. (I aknowledge that there is a consistency and uniformity in having an all-QT/MOV workflow that has appeal to many, but it would seem that FCP already has this covered wiith their very efficient re-wrapping tool for those who want QT uniformity. So why cant FCP do both as every other NLE can. Vegas, Premiere Pro, Edius, Avid can all work with open shooting formats formats as well as with Quicktime so there seems no logical reason why FCP cant do this as well - either the programmers are inept or Apple has a QT protectionist agenda at the expense of logic!)
JVC claims the superiority of being able to drop files straight from the JVC GY-HM100 onto the timeline of FCP and yet Premiere pro can drop Mp4, MXF and even RED R3d files straight from the camera to the timeline and away you go, most often in real-time - Likewise Vegas is the most format agnostic NLE on the market avi, mov, mxf, mpeg, mt2, it doesnt care they all coexist natively on the time line - Even Avid too, whilst having its preferred formats, is well versed in mixing wrappers and reading native files.
So the ONLY logical way to read this move by JVC is that it is designed purely and solely to placate FCP users and cater directly to the technical inadequacies and failings of the Final Cut Pro code-base. Because anyone editing with tools other than FCP has ABSOLUTELY NO NEED OF THIS FEATURE!
The only editors who will care will be FCP users and of these they will sing their rejoice from one of two- camps;
Either....
a) they realize and recognize the significant and long-standing flaws in FCP but like the uniformity of an all MOV format workflow and so will enjoy the small blessing that JVC is catering specifically to their outdated needs. Certainly a vaild point of view.
Or
b) they will rejoice out of pure ignorance, led by the nose once again out of the fickle absurdity of corporate advertising. Believing what they are told they will go away sit at their edit bays in blissful ignorance saying to themselves ?Wow, I don't have to re-wrap my files anymore. gee whizz isnt Apple the greatest...?
I fear there are far too many in the later camp and that just makes me depressed, that creative artists have become intellectual slaves to the siren call of marketing spiel....
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Just as a foot note. If you have read the above and feel spurred on to write a volley of defense at how much you love Final Cut Pro, do me a favour and take your love elsewhere. I have a decade of using FCP and work with it everyday. I know it?s blessings and curses better than most. This is not about whether MOV files are good or bad or whether re-wrapping is right or wrong or the new JVC camera is great or not, it?s not even whether FCP itself is good or not, its about the absurdity of cooperate marketing. It?s about filmmakers and editors getting their act doing what Chuck D told us all to do a long time ago ?Dont Believe The Hype?. Final Cut Pro users more than any other software-brand delineated group need to stop drinking the cool-aid and demand better from Apple. You deserve better.
Posted at 01:42PM Jan 12, 2009
by Mike Jones in general |
Posted by Andrew Singer on January 13, 2009 at 04:40 AM EST #
Posted by 403 on January 13, 2009 at 09:00 AM EST #
But as i said, this is not a review of the camera (the specs of which seem rather good) but of the deliberately skewed marketing bullshit, of the plain deception in regard to re-wrapping and transcoding and the praising of a feature which is nothing more than catering to FCP's technical failings
Posted by Mike Jones on January 13, 2009 at 09:23 AM EST #
When I saw the MXF file/directory structure for the first time I felt pretty confused, but that was nothing compared to the DOP that was sitting next to me. Many times I've witnessed situations, where people copied "just the lage files" from new MXF based cameras, making the copied footage unimportable and therefore - unusable. That's the reason why many of them are afraid to switch to tapeless cameras.
People expect simple solution to get their footage off camera to their workflow, so the information that the files will be already wrapped into something will work instantly, something that will work for sure, without the fear that loss of some couple-of-kb files might trash their work.
Posted by 403 on January 13, 2009 at 10:15 AM EST #
Posted by 403 on January 13, 2009 at 10:20 AM EST #
My understanding of the strategy of a format like Quicktime is that inherently it is a wrapper format that simply adds file header information that says "Within the app named Quicktime, you'll find the appropriate codec details to playback this video/audio info"
If the codec (or perhaps in QT speak - the component) exists within the Quicktime folder, then the component plays back.
Where does the transcoding take place in that process?
MXF is much more than just a codec, there is a complex file header structure that for many lower level processes is unnecessary information - it really only comes into its own in the movement of files around a Broadcast facility. So, for the vast majority of people editing on small, stand alone systems if you strip that away and get to the "Essence material" with a Quicktime wrapper for visibility by an editing or compositing app ... what's the problem?
As for the real problems with proprietary formats - ask someone with any, repeat any NLE how they enjoyed JVC's last foray into 'proprietary land' (The unhappiest Kingdom of them all) ... the Everio disk based HD consumer HD cams.
Who was it that decided a particularly non-standard 'MOD' file was the appropriate recording format for this camera? A file format which demanded complete transcoding to an intermediate file format, such as ProRes, AIC or DV!
And as for Sony, why did they take a vanilla file extension such as '.MP4' (which used to represent the 'MPEG4' multi media file) and using it to represent their own iteration of MPEG2 - that's more than some fancy marketing, that's probably designed to delay payments of royalties to the MPEG2 consortium!
At the end of the day, we have very few options.
We work with AVI - but wait, didn't Microsoft end development of that format about 10 years ago? Wasn't it left to the devices of a whole bunch of individual developers with no interest in whether other developers understood what they were doing?
Hmmm well then, how about WMV?
Oh, that's a proprietary format that really only deals with DRM managed transmission systems.
What would be useful, would be a relatively open system, more a container of sorts, that didn't demand transcoding within the process, that permitted you to access the 'essence' file aspect of any digital media file, which then permitted that 'essence file' to be integrated into the post production environment as seamlessly as possible.
You know the answer to that one as well as we all do, Mr Jones.
And no, I promise I don't have all the matching 'DubDubDC' tattoos all across my butt, nor do I drink any form of beverage without reading the warning labels and instructions (and the "About this" pdf's). What I do is create content, teach others to do the same ... and try to stay above the rising tide of information via Press Release.
Posted by Luke Caldwell on January 13, 2009 at 11:31 AM EST #
Much of what you say is dead on. The lack of of suppourt for open formats by corporations is matched only by the lack of consistency of the formats offered. Cant win either way. This is arguably the only real; reason QT has endured.
QT is indeed a wrapper with header info (overly complex and structurally messy header, but header none the less) and there is no 'transcoding' in re-wrapping to MOV. thats exactly the point. JVC (as others have done) are marketing the line that their MOV native format avoids 'transcoding' and 'maintains first generation' which is of course crap and mis-information. The troublesome part is that despite the fact that it's only a re-wrap, FCP NEEDS that re-wrap because it's (deliberately?) hobbled so as to not be able to playback non QT wrappers despite the essence being consistent with standards such as Mpeg2.
And I totally agree on the Enviro and the absolute absurdity of the MOD format. What the f&%k were they thinking?!!
AVI's simplicity is what keeps it trucking. Its a great and functional wrapper - Thats why Cineform uses it and it's still universally accepted on every NLE on the market (including FCP)
I still think MXF is the right solution in principle. Its the the 'open system' you describe, IN THEORY. But in practice Avid, Panaosnic and Sony screwed it up, making it a mess of proprietary iterations, made problematic by the very thing it was supposed to circumvent.
You miss the mark however with MP4. Despite misconception and a poor choice of nomenclature, MP4 file extension is not tied at all MPEG4 codecs. Sony didn't invent the use of MP4 to house Mpeg2-35mbps XDCAMEX, the MP4 was ratified by SMTPE as an open container standard for any mpeg-based essence. Sony were just the first to use it in a camera and did so to avoid the mess that MXF had become with proprietary implementations. There is thankfully nothing proprietary about the codec of XDCAMEX nor the MP4 container it comes in. Your point however stands for all the others but for MP4 it is a wrapper that has much going for it.
But the real ire of my post is the consistently mis-leading information about what Transcoding and Re-wrapping is and what they do. Companies seem to claim both as 'bad' when it suits them and 'good' when its convenient.
Posted by Mike Jones on January 13, 2009 at 07:01 PM EST #
That being said, I totally agree with your post, and do actively complain to Apple to open up and play nicer. It's the number one feature I'm looking for in Final Cut Studio 3.
I hate to complain about your post, but it really needs some serious copy-editing, and would probably have a greater impact if it was cleaned up a bit.
Posted by Kevin Edwards on June 03, 2009 at 05:29 AM EST #
Mike
Posted by mike jones on June 04, 2009 at 08:13 AM EST #
It could not take multiformats and sizes in a timeline till after Edius came out (or possibly FCP!).
And now avi's, .dv, .mp4 files still need to be converted to .mxf in Avid?!
I certainly agree that a multiformat / multicodec / multisize mixed timeline would be great.
Here's to FCP and Avid becoming true multi-format editors.
But that is not the be all and end all of my editing.
Posted by John Bixby on June 15, 2009 at 04:54 PM EST #