A response to I 'love the look of video'
As a follow up to my previous post entitled 'I love the look of video' I felt a need to repost this superb response from Australian-based cinematographer
John Brawley.
Whilst you could read his post in the 'Comments', I feared too many might miss it there and that it deserved a much more prominent spot with a chance for wider readership. John's response is insightful, challenging and distinctly articulate to my deliberately controversial post and presents an informed and broad-based perspective on the make up of Moving Image. It would a misrepresentation to think of this discussion as crudely about Film vs Digital. Its not. Its really about the creative impetuous for acquiring the moving image and valuing its techno-aesthetic qualities on a range of levels.

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I actually couldn't agree more with the last paragraph. Why on earth
would you want something to look like film when it's clearly not.
Surely the best thing is to use a given acquisition technology that
best suits the story or delivery mode required.
Your assertion that digital images have no innate look in
themselves is not true however. Even the RAW data from a digital camera
is the product of it's sensor. And different manufactures make
different sensors. And they all have subtle differences. The idea that
that a digitally encoded image is *untainted* is simplistic. They all
have differing and measurable signal to noise levels, that will affect
the way the image is encoded. Colour science also differs from each
manufacturer. So even RAW images will be take on the inherent
characteristics of the sensor with regards to noise, colour
reproduction and dynamic range. So although it is just DATA, each
camera produces a different set of DATA and a different look. Just like
film stock.
Your misleading history of colour timing is simply not true. It has
been possible to colour grade films for many many years. In fact the
whole use of the phrase *timing* comes from the optical process that
colour grading was and is still done by today. And for that matter, so
are the terms one light and best light. Day for night looks, not to
mention scene matching and sheer creative grading is very easily
achieved and created using this process. This year's AFI award winning
Romulous my father was all finished photochemically aside from a single
4K VFX shot. Obviously it can't be all that bad.
What digital processing has made possible, was much finer control
of the colour correction process. And this perhaps is what you meant
when you referred to as, "more recently". Pleasantville (1998) was
probably one of the first films to be graded in this manner, but mainly
because every single shot was a VFX shot by nature of it's storyline.
Oh Brother Where art Thou (2000) is considered to be one of the first
DI or digital intermediate films graded in this manner, where colour
effects were achieved that weren't previously possible using
photochemical grading. Both films of course, where shot on film.
And this is my next point.
How is an image scanned from a film negative any less *digital* than a digitally acquired image ?
Once the film frame is scanned it is JUST as digital as a digital
image rendered by a digital camera. It starts from exactly the same
point as a digitally acquired image. If you argue that film is anti-
creative, then all of your arguments about it's post production
workflows are neutered when you consider that a scan of a film frame
can have all the same image manipulations as a digitally acquired one.
A flat LOG scan of a film frame is just as flat and dull as a RAW image
from a still camera. The same blank canvas. So let's assume then, that
a scanned film frame can be just as digital as a digital acquired
digital frame.
What's anti-creative about film in production ? Cost. ? Setup time
? availability ? These are all valid arguments to some degree. But it's
also not as simple to look at a single cost on the film's budget and
point to it and say AH HA !
While film stock and processing is expensive compared to acquiring
digitally, if you factor in the cost for the higher end digital camera
platforms, you'll find that the post production infrastructure is
significant.
The much championed RED camera, which uses the D-SLR approach to
imaging provides some very fine useable images with it's own unique
look. And then there's the terrabytes of data it generates. Plus now
you have to back all this data up in a safe and redundant way, because
you can't go back to the negative for a re-scan if a drive fails. And
then there's the actual infrastructure of trying to even edit and view
these files. To do it well and safe costs. And again, I would say that
it's inherent look is great if that suits your project, and it's as
digital as a digital scan of a film frame so all the post grading and
VFX work well.
On set it's reduced dynamic range compared with film, like with all
digital cameras, means that you in fact often spend more time lighting
because you need to ensure that you get it right on the day. Film
allows us to be somewhat lazy in this regard. Now this is not film
look. This is being cinematic.
The idea that digital is faster to light and requires less light is
also a fallacy. Sure, you can turn the camera on and you'll get a
picture right away without any lighting. And the same goes for any film
camera really. If you want it to look *cinematic* (not filmic) then it
still requires a great deal of care and attention on set. You still
need a dolly or a steadicam. You still need to be able to light for the
camera. You need the same crew and level of experience.
Plenty of people are happy to use digital for what it's great at.
Russian ark (2002) for it continuous long take. Films like Blacktown
(2005) couldn't be made without digital shooting technology allowing
intimate access to non professional actors.
Progressive displays have been around since..well computers, and
we've been using them for at least the past 20 years. But most US Drama
has been film acquired over the years. We tend to associate video with
lo-fi and disposable, simply because that's what most news footage is
and that's how we consume it. And it's natural to associate that with
*real*.
By dissing the film look, you're actually engaging in the same
debate you're pretending you don't care about. The digital mantra that
digital is better leaves behind a lot of valuable film-making
techniques that lots of people don't seem to be in a hurry to leave
behind even though digital film origination as been with us at least a
decade.
I think it's naive to dismiss any form of image capture, and hitch
your wagon to any one acquisition platform, they all have a place. I
recently shot some sections of a film finished to 35mm on a mobile
phone.
If this revolution is happening and has been happening for the last
few years, why hasn't there been a bigger rush ? Why does all of
Soderburg's film originated films sell squillions of tickets while
people don't even know he's cranking out other digital films....
How about we just use the best paintbrush we can skilfully use and
afford to paint the best picture we can for the story we're trying to
convey.
jb - I love the look of what ever the story teller has chosen to use....
*i wait with bated breath to see what David (i'll never shoot film
again) Lynch will do after his underwhelming PD150 shot Inland Empire.
Posted at 12:00AM Mar 18, 2008
by Mike Jones in video |
This is true about all digital cameras. Except, those made by Dalsa. Which I understand are being used on some big movies right now.
Posted by Malcom Brown on March 19, 2008 at 03:28 AM EST #
The Origin, Dalsa's attempt at a top shelf cine camera is remarkable. 4K resolution before anyone knew what it meant and those that did were happy with 2K. 0-30 FPS. PL Lens mount to take existing Cine lenses. Optical viewfinder ( ! ) And apparently an astounding dynamic range of up to 12 stops. They were the real revolutionary camera, certainly well before RED which is stealing all it's thunder now.
I haven't seen one. And that's the problem. You can ONLY get them from Dalsa. You can't buy, you can only rent. Like Panavision. Only in LA. And even if you subscribe to the theory that LA is the centre of the filmmaking universe, then they still haven't succeeded. There isn't a single high profile feature, or even...any feature....that I know of that has used them.
Why ?
Well the camera is Big. Like....Ginourmous. Go their website and take a look. You will never see a shot of the camera in it's entirety. Or if you do, there won't be someone standing next to it. It's bigger than a 35mm Panaflex with a 1000' Mag.
It outputs uncompressed...raw...16bit DPX files. It something like 400 Mbytes a second ! Somebody please do the sums, but I reckon it's cheaper to shoot and process a second of film than it would be to buy drive space for the same second of storage for this beast.
It's expensive to rent. Very expensive. More expensive than any top shelf film camera. The card rate is US$5000 per day. No lenses. No hard drives. Just a camera and accessories. Even the Genesis, which actually comes close to the Origin in terms of it's rental cost, includes a recorder. (and it's only HD..a paltry 1.9 k)
So the camera is not widely available. It's a formula 1 car that isn't very practical for driving through the pot-holed streets of filmmaking. It's huge costs and even larger post costs and infrastructure requirements make it destined to be forgotten. And it's such a shame. They clearly actually consulted with working DP's during it's R&D. That's why it has a PL mount, 35mm sensor, and amazingly, an optical viewfinder. There' no reason a DOP would knock it back as an acquisition platform.
But guess what...? DOP's rarely have the final say on the acquisition platform of a production. We shoot what we're told the production can afford and wants. And that's why it's failed.
jb
*oh. And a side note. I make it a point NEVER to believe what a manufacturer tells me their camera's dynamic range is.
Posted by John Brawley on March 19, 2008 at 09:12 AM EST #